RefNote Schedule Issue

Steve,

The Circle style callout is definitely a bit taller than the other options, and with just a single line of text for each, there will be a little overlap with the symbols as you are seeing.

You have a few options.  The first one to note, is the setting of Extra Lines in the schedule dialog box. Simply increase this from 1 to 2, and I think you'll be fine with those results.

Another option available to you in the schedule dialog box, is to represent the Callouts as Text, rather than the Block.  But this loses the font difference and nice bounding border of the callout, so I can appreciate if you'd rather avoid this solution.

Lastly, another technique is to place the schedule in Modelspace, then apply a Viewport override to turn off the bounding line of the callout block, which looks to be LG-ANNO-035M in your drawing.

Let me know if any of these work for you.

--J

The overlap of the symbol is part of the problem, and changing the extra line from 1 to 2 addresses the overlap, but makes the schedule significantly longer, so it doesn't really fit in the space allocated on the sheet.

The main issue that we have is the variation in the text size, some are 12 pt and some are 9 pt. They were placed at the same time, in the 40-scale work space. When looking at the tags in model space, they appear to be all correct with 9 pt text, but when the schedule is generated there are changes to the text in the circles, some at 12 pt most at 9 pt (9 pt is what we want as the standard font size for plots). 

In the drawing we attached, the RefNote for D-109 and D-110 in the schedule are the perfect examples of our problem. the text for D-109 is 12 pt and the text for D-110 is 9pt, same schedule, generated at the same time. Not sure why this is happening. 

The RefNote schedule actually starts with D-101 at 9pt then jumps to 12pt for the next 8 entries, then back to 9pt for 1 entry then back to 12pt for the last entry. 

Steve,

All RefNote callouts are created on the fly by the system, off of the Callout Title font.  So the most likely scenario is that either the Callout Title font size was changed, or the Preferences were switched.

If the Callout Title font is now set to 9pt, one solution that should work is it just edit each of the currently 12pt notes.  Add a suffix, like "XX", so that it becomes D-102XX, which will recalculate the block.  Then edit it again and remove the suffix, which should then redo the block at 9pt size.

It would also be worthwhile to track down how you had two different settings, either working on this across two installations, or if you need to lock the permissions of your Preferences.

--J

Jeremiah,

Good morning, I tried the various options you suggested, with "No Joy".

I've wblocked out the RefNote schedule to a separate drawing to note the issues that we're having. 

When generating a RefNote schedule, the symbols are coming in on different layers, the text is coming in on different layers, the text size is different within the same schedule, even though the styles are the same. 

Is there a way to "re-set" the imperial preference set to the "factory" settings? We can then edit the Imperial preference set to the specifics we're wanting for fonts and sizes. Or will that bollux up everything and we need to create a new preference set and start from scratch. Will the drawings created with the "bad" Imperial preference set still carry the bad things forward and we'll have to live with it and be more diligent within the office?

I am attaching the separate drawing. 

We are using AutoCAD Civil 3D on one machine, and AutoCAD 2019 on the other 4 machines, if that will make any difference.

Thanks for all your help. 

Steve,

After looking into your history, it looks fairly certain that this stems from when you switched to Cloud Data in August.  It looks like your old Preferences were not restored, so at that point you switched to the "factory defaults" for the most part.  But it seems that some settings have been adjusted, such as the Callout Title font, which is set as you prefer.

You have correctly identified the layers involved.  Note that the red callout has the more recent "default" settings, which you can see is how they are reported in your Preferences screen.  The text is on layer L-ANNO-TEXT at color Black, and the boundary is L-ANNO-LEDR-035M.  However, I see that in Preferences that has our default color 11, while in this drawing it is Red.

So first things first, let's do this -- go to a completely blank drawing, set the scale to 1:40, and set this exact same project active.  Then place a few RefNotes.  They will get defined with the current settings from Preferences, and you will have only a couple layers defined in the drawing for easy identification.  You can then go into Preferences, and alter those two layers to have the color you prefer.

Then back to your production drawing to get all of the callouts the same.  This is going to be a little challenging, due to the way we chose to engineer it, and having the text size difference.  As in, when the system calculates the necessary width of a callout, which results in the target block name to use, it turns out that block is already defined for a callout with a different text size.

So to fix, I would amend my previous steps to be like so:

- for instance for those D- callouts that are all too big.  Note they are all using the block LAFX-TAG-CIRCLE-010-R.  So if you edit all of them, and give them all a suffix of XX, that will make their numbers D-103XX through D-109XX.  When they are all then no longer using that block, and you have deleted the schedule, you should be able to Purge it out of the drawing.  You can then edit them all again, removing the XX suffix from each, and they should get assigned a new block with the text correctly sized at 9pt.

- You may wish to just manually edit the layers, for instance LG-ANNO-035M to Red, and L-TEXT-025M to black, so that the other callouts match.

You're also welcome to give us a call, and we can get a remote session going to walk you through this, and make sure everything is good.

--J

(Forum Tidy-up - reattaching Steve's 02/14/2019 @ 11:33 am post attachments as screenshots)

Amanda. I’m out of office right now. I’ll check back with you in the AM after 10 our time. Thanks for the help.