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Can i MAKE two tree bubblers with ther pipes and the fitting in the middle as a block so it becomes more easy to move if i needed to?

thank you
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Nibal,
Along with seaweeds suggestions, you could make a custom block that looks like two emitters and save it into the system. Creating a custom emitter would then allow you to put the flow of two emitters into the single instance.
Lesson one. Really. This is the first thing to learn about LandFX:
You can move, copy and do most anything with LandFX blocks until you connect them to pipe. Our office will typically use one Deep Root Feeder and one 4" pop-up, both with RB 1402's. What we do is place the two symbols UN-PIPPED next to a tree. Then we use the AutoCAD secret command MOCORO. This is NOT a country in North Africa. it stands for Move,Copy and Rotate. Then we come back and add all of the lateral lines.

There's the secret. MOCORO. Don't tell anyone or place it on a public board or it won't be a secret anymore.

I hope that this helps.
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Nibal,
Along with seaweeds suggestions, you could make a custom block that looks like two emitters and save it into the system. Creating a custom emitter would then allow you to put the flow of two emitters into the single instance.
Hmm... this MOCORO of which you speak... less convenient than select, right click, and select whatever you want (MOVE, COPY, ROTATE, as well as SCALE, ERASE and bunch of others). Now if it copied or moved and allowed you to rotate it into place before final placement, that would be cool.
Nabil, Try this link. It's a 2 minute power tip for making a drip tree ring. We made a few of these and use them for different sized trees. You can adapt the concept to create your own bubbler details. Also, you can consider using a single block to represent two separate bubblers or emitters. You do it in your description and detail. We do this if the drawing is to a small scale which would make using two emitters blob together or cover the base in some way making it confusing or unreadable. Good luck. -- Seaweed
Nibal, The reason that we use one of each follows: The Deep Root Feeder (Rain Bird RWS-Root Watering System (Pg 121 of the RB Catalog) or Hunter RZWS-Root Zone Watering System (pg 135 of the Hunter catalog) are used to feed the lower section of the new tree that is planted. The 4" pop-up waters the surface. Out intent is to get the water to the various levels of the root ball. The surface irrigation doesn't do much for the lower root zone and the deep feeder doesn't do much for the surface root zone. So between the two we feel that the water is dispersed to the entire root zone without wasting water. With a 24" box we may use one of each. Of course with larger specimen, you'll want to add more nozzles of both types. BTW - This method is typical, but by no means an industry standard. There are still differences of opinions. But as long as there are human's, there will be differing opinions no matter the science.
BEWARE. In heavy clay soils the feeder tubes can go septic if the irrigation period is not managed properly. The tree can die due to over watering (lack of oxygen). Poor maintenance of any project can doom even the best designs.
Nibal,
I thought that you may benefit from a complete irrigation set. It includes lots of details, notes, specifications, calculations and of course examples of the RWS's. You will notice that we may use additional pop-ups or RWS's for larger trees. In the attached example we used one RWS and one pop-up spray head for the 24" box trees and one spray head and two RWS's for the 36" box trees.
Have a good one!
Seaweed
Nibal,
I thought that you may benefit from a complete irrigation set. It includes lots of details, notes, specifications, calculations and of course examples of the RWS's. You will notice that we may use additional pop-ups or RWS's for larger trees. In the attached example we used one RWS and one pop-up spray head for the 24" box trees and one spray head and two RWS's for the 36" box trees.
Have a good one!
Seaweed

PS. oops. LandFX has a 2 meg limit and the file that I was trying to attach is 4.5 megs. I put the set on this FTP site for you to download. It is a temporary FTP site to grab the file when you can.
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Nibal,
I thought that you may benefit from a complete irrigation set. It includes lots of details, notes, specifications, calculations and of course examples of the RWS's. You will notice that we may use additional pop-ups or RWS's for larger trees. In the attached example we used one RWS and one pop-up spray head for the 24" box trees and one spray head and two RWS's for the 36" box trees.
Have a good one!
Seaweed

PS. oops. LandFX has a 2 meg limit and the file that I was trying to attach is 4.5 megs. I put the set on this FTP site for you to download. It is a temporary FTP site to grab the file when you can.
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Nibal,
I thought that you may benefit from a complete irrigation set. It includes lots of details, notes, specifications, calculations and of course examples of the RWS's. You will notice that we may use additional pop-ups or RWS's for larger trees. In the attached example we used one RWS and one pop-up spray head for the 24" box trees and one spray head and two RWS's for the 36" box trees.
Have a good one!
Seaweed

PS. oops. LandFX has a 2 meg limit and the file that I was trying to attach is 4.5 megs. I put the set on this FTP site for you to download. It is a temporary FTP site to grab the file when you can.
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Nibal,
I thought that you may benefit from a complete irrigation set. It includes lots of details, notes, specifications, calculations and of course examples of the RWS's. You will notice that we may use additional pop-ups or RWS's for larger trees. In the attached example we used one RWS and one pop-up spray head for the 24" box trees and one spray head and two RWS's for the 36" box trees.
Have a good one!
Seaweed

PS. oops. LandFX has a 2 meg limit and the file that I was trying to attach is 4.5 megs. I put the set on this FTP site for you to download. It is a temporary FTP site to grab the file when you can.
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Hi Seaweed,
Firstly thanks a lot for the files you sent me, they are very informative..
but I noticed that you used shut off valve followed with the quick coupling valve..
here i need to ask:
1- why should we need the shut off valve before each coupling valve? whats the exact function of it in this case?
2- i wasked asked about the quick coupling valve more than one time from my employer as its expencive why should we need to use more than one in each plan?
and why cant we replace it with another kind of valve..
i anwered that QCV is important for a convenient water access..
then I was asked again what does this mean exactly?
Actually i couldnt explain further...

Thanks,
Nibal
Nibal,

First, thanks for posting your location. I always wondered where you live and work. Are most of your designs for use in the middle east?

Now to quick couplers and isolation valves. I came to the trade through Landscape Construction so I'm heavily influenced by what works in the field. Let's assume that valves fail. Agreed? Manual control valves, automatic control valves, as well as quick couplers, they all will need to be serviced sometime. An isolation valve allows one to service the valve without affecting the entire system. a separate isolation valve at the quick coupler allows one to use the quick coupler while the other valve(s) are un-operational. This allows one to manually irrigate (with a hose) the area(s) that are temporarily not being serviced by the valve(s) that are being repaired (or waiting for parts). We usually place quick couplers about 45 meters (or about 150' ) apart. That's because a standard contractor's hose is about 20 meter's (75') long and this allows all landscape areas between the two to be manually irrigated if necessary. Also, as a contractor, I may be performing remedial work such as replacing plants within an irrigation zone that treated other existing landscape. During the establishment period, this remedial area will need supplemental watering. Thus the need of hose watering is essential.

Don't misunderstand me. the client's best interest is the key. After all, you are your client's consultant. You will not maintain the property once it's installed. If one quick coupler is within 20 meters of the entire landscaped area then only one quick coupler (QC) is necessary, however, for convenience, some clients may want more so that they don't have to drag heavy hoses through planter beds. At my house, I have various locations for hose attachments (hose bibs) just for that reason. That's why when you go to place a QC in LandFX it shows the various radius. That allows you to quickly locate the QC's based on hose lengths.

Like so many of your questions, the responses can go along for a long time. I love to share with you and others the reasoning behind our practice.

There is also a very major reason for multiple QC locations within a project, but you will never need to accommodate for it.

Can you or anyone else reviewing this post answer that question? I'll send out some clues later in the week if nobody responds (hold off please Jake).
Hi Seaweed,
Am living in Bahrain(Middle East)...
And most of my projects are in the Gulf Region..like Bahrain and Dubai..
So do you wager a guess for a very important reason to install multiple quick couplers on a single sire that you will never have to consider in your region?
Nibal,

First: The other use for quick couplers (and isolation valves) is to use to "winterize" a system. They are places along and at the end of a mainline run. Hoses are attached to them, to evacuate the water in the pipes. One hose is attaches to an air pump which blows the water out of the system (valves and mainline). That's' the simple version without graphics and a full explanation. That's why you won't be designing for this in your region.
Second: We get our details from lots of places. You asked about the drip layouts. That's a hybrid or Rain Bird and Netafim details. We modify them to meet our office standards (which we've also set up in LandFX (Preferences). So we usually start with a manufacturer's detail and modify it for our use. Sometimes we modify Agency details too. Wherever we do get them, we usually have to tweak them a little to bring them into our format. We create some from scratch, like the pipe transition point that you mention. The flow sensor came from Creative Sensor Technologies (CST). I'd imagine that their detail is available through LandFX since they're one of their registered manufacturer partners.

Maybe Jake can point you to the LandFX partners details. That's probably a good place to start. We're pretty much beyond that now.

I hope that this helps. Have fun.

Seaweed
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