Greetings Wizards and my LandFX Community.
We have two main clients that we serve. They like us to match their standards. We can do most of this through separate preference sets, but when it comes to details we don't know what to do. One has the detail title line with bubble to the left, the other to the right. How can we have the same details come in with the two different detail frames?
Easy question? Please no easy answer like "You can't".
We have two main clients that we serve. They like us to match their standards. We can do most of this through separate preference sets, but when it comes to details we don't know what to do. One has the detail title line with bubble to the left, the other to the right. How can we have the same details come in with the two different detail frames?
Easy question? Please no easy answer like "You can't".
Accepted Answer
Late to the game but just a thought in the event someone else came across the same problem.
Double bubble as previously mentioned (right and left), but with said bubble sets on different layers. this way you can have your right layers frozen (or left if needed) in your drawing file so that they don't show or print.
Anyway, just a passing thought.
Double bubble as previously mentioned (right and left), but with said bubble sets on different layers. this way you can have your right layers frozen (or left if needed) in your drawing file so that they don't show or print.
Anyway, just a passing thought.
You can't.
Just kidding.
One theoretical solution, would be if you could define a different detail frame within the detail sheet, and have inserted details adapt to that frame. But the nature of details being different scales and widths would be this block would need to be Dynamic, if not completely magical.
So onto the next possible solution -- what about designing the title line so that it does not extend the full width? Basically, so that there is an empty space on right. That way, once the details are place, you could manually move the number attribute to the blank space, and place some sort of block and/or wipeout on top of each.
Continuing off a solution like that, even placing a block that contains a wipeout and a title line and bubble combination on top of each detail. This block could even contain an attribute, so as you place it, you enter the number that the detail currently has, and wammo, now you have switched the bubble to the other side.
But back to the original idea -- if the detail frame was a dynamic block, it would need a state for every width at every scale, and then if you wanted two standards that would all need to be duplicated. So going that direction, would probably still require clicking on each detail, and choosing which dynamic state you want, from a list of some 60 or 100 named states.
So I think the fundamental calculation here, is how much time are you going to spend on each detail, and getting that to being as easy and idiot-proof as possible. OR!!! Think outside the box -- just change your standard to have the detail number bubble on *BOTH* sides of the title line. Boom. You're welcome.
--J
Just kidding.
One theoretical solution, would be if you could define a different detail frame within the detail sheet, and have inserted details adapt to that frame. But the nature of details being different scales and widths would be this block would need to be Dynamic, if not completely magical.
So onto the next possible solution -- what about designing the title line so that it does not extend the full width? Basically, so that there is an empty space on right. That way, once the details are place, you could manually move the number attribute to the blank space, and place some sort of block and/or wipeout on top of each.
Continuing off a solution like that, even placing a block that contains a wipeout and a title line and bubble combination on top of each detail. This block could even contain an attribute, so as you place it, you enter the number that the detail currently has, and wammo, now you have switched the bubble to the other side.
But back to the original idea -- if the detail frame was a dynamic block, it would need a state for every width at every scale, and then if you wanted two standards that would all need to be duplicated. So going that direction, would probably still require clicking on each detail, and choosing which dynamic state you want, from a list of some 60 or 100 named states.
So I think the fundamental calculation here, is how much time are you going to spend on each detail, and getting that to being as easy and idiot-proof as possible. OR!!! Think outside the box -- just change your standard to have the detail number bubble on *BOTH* sides of the title line. Boom. You're welcome.
--J
Jer,
I was thinking of the first suggestion myself except I don't know anything about dynamic blocks. I knew that I could place a block in the detail sheet and that any subsequent details calling that block would assume that original definition. But the LandFX detail frame (template) doesn't seem to have a name once it's inserted. It would be easy enough to drag the attribute to the other side.
I worry about the complexity of the other solution seems to allow for too much human error and it seems generally clunky.
Will you sleep on it to see if solution 1 can be used effectively somehow?
I was thinking of the first suggestion myself except I don't know anything about dynamic blocks. I knew that I could place a block in the detail sheet and that any subsequent details calling that block would assume that original definition. But the LandFX detail frame (template) doesn't seem to have a name once it's inserted. It would be easy enough to drag the attribute to the other side.
I worry about the complexity of the other solution seems to allow for too much human error and it seems generally clunky.
Will you sleep on it to see if solution 1 can be used effectively somehow?
Have already been pondering it.
I'm thinking your best solution is going to be to xref the source detail into two different saved details.
--J
I'm thinking your best solution is going to be to xref the source detail into two different saved details.
--J
I thought about that but wasn't quite sure how the process of editing the detail (using edit detail) would work. Let me see if this is the workflow that you are considering:
Instead of a single detail folder structure we would have three.
If one had to edit the detail, it would open the appropriate detail (which only had the frame and the xref). Then the user would refedit the xref and save as the same. What happens if we're copying details to the project folder? Will the xref go with it? Or will the user be editing the original which may affect other projects?
Why does life have to be so complicated? At least I don't have to deal with Syria.
This doesn't have to be solved today. So far we've been doing fine. We just ran into a new PM at one of the firms and she wants all of our standards to meet theirs. I haven't said "We can't." Yet. Because like you said "the fundamental calculation here, is how much time are you going to spend on each detail, and getting that to being as easy and idiot-proof as possible". We want to make the client happy, but at what expense?
-Seaweed
Instead of a single detail folder structure we would have three.
- One would be the master so to speak and that one would have no detail callout .Just the border.
- Another would have a border with the bubble on the left
- and another would have the bubble on the right. Those would both reference the master.
If one had to edit the detail, it would open the appropriate detail (which only had the frame and the xref). Then the user would refedit the xref and save as the same. What happens if we're copying details to the project folder? Will the xref go with it? Or will the user be editing the original which may affect other projects?
Why does life have to be so complicated? At least I don't have to deal with Syria.
This doesn't have to be solved today. So far we've been doing fine. We just ran into a new PM at one of the firms and she wants all of our standards to meet theirs. I haven't said "We can't." Yet. Because like you said "the fundamental calculation here, is how much time are you going to spend on each detail, and getting that to being as easy and idiot-proof as possible". We want to make the client happy, but at what expense?
-Seaweed
I'm sorry. I'm having a problem pulling my head out. Of the box as you put it that is.
The detail number (or letter) is an attribute. Are you suggesting that we have one single attribute located in both circles and then just cover one of them up with a wipeout? Then if we relocate the detail on the sheet we edit the attribute and they both are changed but only one is visible? That sounds pretty fool proof. Can the detail be saved with a default wipeout that only needs to be moved for one of the clients?
The detail number (or letter) is an attribute. Are you suggesting that we have one single attribute located in both circles and then just cover one of them up with a wipeout? Then if we relocate the detail on the sheet we edit the attribute and they both are changed but only one is visible? That sounds pretty fool proof. Can the detail be saved with a default wipeout that only needs to be moved for one of the clients?
Yeah, I'm suggesting, perhaps somewhat in jest, of just having 2 detail bubbles, like in the attached.
But then yes, just covering up the one the you don't want to show.
Maybe it's a little block with a wipeout, the perfect size to cover up one bubble, so fairly easy to place?
--J
But then yes, just covering up the one the you don't want to show.
Maybe it's a little block with a wipeout, the perfect size to cover up one bubble, so fairly easy to place?
--J
I must be living life pretty good. Today I was speaking with one of the clients (the one with the bubble on the right) and letting them know that it was going to be difficult to match their detail frame. Their reply? " Oh, don't worry about that Steve. We're going to be changing our standard to included the bubble on the left." Yippee! Thanks for pondering with me. Wish we could have done it over a beer.
Accepted Answer
Late to the game but just a thought in the event someone else came across the same problem.
Double bubble as previously mentioned (right and left), but with said bubble sets on different layers. this way you can have your right layers frozen (or left if needed) in your drawing file so that they don't show or print.
Anyway, just a passing thought.
Double bubble as previously mentioned (right and left), but with said bubble sets on different layers. this way you can have your right layers frozen (or left if needed) in your drawing file so that they don't show or print.
Anyway, just a passing thought.
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