Thursday, 05 October 2017
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Automatic incremental numbering of irrigation equipment: is there a way to turn this feature off? For example, when placing a drip irrigation indicator stake in a drawing, I'll assign it something like "ID," and when I go place the next one, it automatically places it as "ID2." Don't need all those, just "ID." Of course, I just copy the symbol and place them around, but I so prefer the whole "right-click, repeat" thing.
6 years ago
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Tom,
Noted, and still in the list of to-do's. Copy and paste will be your best bet for now.
2 years ago
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Naturalist,
Great ideas, thank you for sharing your workflow. We are still charting out all logic, so keep those ideas and workflows coming!
2 years ago
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Hello,

I just dont use numbers when F/X prompts to add number for some equipment. Just use letters (abbreviations or simple A, B, S, D...) or , Roman numbers I, II, III, IV , V , VI... In this case system doesnt recognize anything to increment ;)
I don't envy that headache!

Let's put this out to the crowd. I can't be the only one with ideas about this.
Tom,

You say it is inconsistent, but your suggestion implies there should be inconsistency. This is why we say it is not such an easy solution!
This section of code in particular has been a case of whack-a-mole -- your "relatively few" in a project, is another designer's headache when they have to place 150 of them.
What we would like to do, is to put all equipment types into one of three lists:
- Items that do not prompt the first time, and subsequent times prompt with an incremented value
- Items that always prompt, and increment
- Items that never prompt, and automatically increment
Further, for the increment logic, if multiple insertions of the same item are in the drawing, and all have the same value, should it stop auto-incrementing? Or is that logic too subject by equipment type?

As Jake said, this requires looking over the entire equipment database, and making a spreadsheet by equipment type, and being meticulous to make sure that nothing was missed. Hence a multi-hour job, and you are welcome to help!

--J
No, nothing is "broken," but things are inconsistent. Backflow devices, for example: You place one, it automatically places as "BF." You place another, and it automatically places as "BF2." No prompts. Master valves, on the other hand, do this: You place it, you're prompted for master valve number, with "M" in the dialog box as default. You place another, and you're prompted with "M2," giving you the opportunity to change it before you finalize the placement. Flow sensors prompt you for a number every time, without remembering what you called it the first time (just "XX" int the prompt). But it's easy enough to edit these after placement, regardless of whether you get a prompt or not. Not very many of these particular items go into a project, so editing them isn't that big of a deal.

Indicator stakes are like flush valves: There can be dozens on a project. I call them "ID" when prompted. I see no need to increment them, especially since every single incremental one goes into the Irrigation Schedule.

So I would say this: The more expensive items, such as those where there are relatively few of them in a project, should be prompted, and even have incremental numbering. Easy to edit to whatever you like after placement. Items like flush valves and indicator stakes don't need prompting (unless just one time to assign it a name/number), and don't need incremental numbering at all.
5 years ago
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Tom,
Nothing is "broken", however, if you would like to expound on what should really be done to improve the logic of what is happening, we would appreciate that. You see, there is a wide range of code and complex logic put to these specific tools, so we need more than "fix the drip indicators" to make it act the way you would like. The Drip Accessories category as a whole increments, so if you can imagine, there is a possibility that some other type of accessory would warrant an increment function.

So, what has to increment? What gets just a prompt? What gets both?

We ideally need to Audit the entire structure in detail to list out what type of equipment gets what type of function as you place it into the design. We would love your help doing that. Otherwise, a simple Right Click and copy selection to copy your first placed indicator is your best bet for now.
Bumping this up... If you fix only the drip operation indicators, and more specifically, the Hunter Eco-Indicator, that would be great!
6 years ago
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Tom,
Noted, and still in the list of to-do's. Copy and paste will be your best bet for now.
Thought I'd bump this up... Once I place one, I usually place the others. I find that automatic incremental number pretty annoying. If there's no way to turn that off, I'll suck it up and copy and paste. Thanks!
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